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  1. 5 points
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    After my other half swore blind that she wouldn't be spending anything on my tank what so ever I was pleasantly surprised to open a box containing a sump light (par 20 algae bulb and lamp clamp) and it was exactly the one I've wanted for ages. She was sneaky and looked through my phone and contacted @@merser who schemed behind my back
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    Sometimes it’s the little things…… Autumn is here and we are all beginning to spend even more time with our home reef as the nights draw in and outside temperatures drop. I’ve decided to celebrate the start of the new season with a competition. We really want to see your little thing….. no, not that little thing no one wants to see that!
  4. 5 points
    I take it today is Lets have a laugh at the old fogies day. At least I can still go diving at my age. Sent from my using Tapatalk
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    Just to update you all swiftly. Everyone who has been in touch has their prize in its way to them, with the exception of superdart who will receive his early next week.
  6. 5 points
    We all know 60% of our livestock is now tank fragged and even the millions they have invested in aquafarming corals but there is a real impact in fish collecting and the taking of wild colonies of corals being taken from the wild which we have to accept does effect the local wildlife structure of that certain area they are taken from and I to have said things in my tank and I do appreciate them and give the very best care to them but it gets me when such things are collected and are then found there way to less experienced reefers to which most perish so what it must look like to the outside world is we are stripping reefs for nothing. Education and knowledge can show them the majority of us do care and CAN make a difference in the future pollution ect is a real threat and we as hobbyist fight this on a daily basis we need to get this msg out....
  7. 4 points
    Finally made my decision and tank ordered. Very excited! Just collecting all the necessary equipment now - plus re-arranging the whole lounge! Feels like Christmas! :)
  8. 4 points
    I played a lot of darts years ago and got quite good at it representing England in the UKDL, Great Britain in the UKDL, Gloucestershire, and the West of England in the BDO as well as BICDO.I think that I won over 700 trophy's including the British amateur championship and got 3rd in the World one held back in 1981 in Barbados.....Packed up playing in the late 90's when I started shift working.
  9. 4 points
    @@mrdave the other day said He thought it would be a good idea for me to do a write-up on my move from Tap to RO water and the ups and downs I've come across. I shall start with the tap water so here goes. My tank was running for roughly 4 1/2 years it has no sump and runs on external filters and just over 70 kg of live Rock . Now for the things I needed help me with the tapwater first of all I used Tetre Aquasafe which I added to my water changes and when first setting up. To combat Nitrate I used JBL Bionitratex bags which kept it between 5 to 10. To help with the phos are used a reactor with Rowa phos which kept it down to 0.02-0.03. My external filters contained JBL bags. SeraSiporax rings. Active carbon. One sponge in each and floss in each which were claimed once a month. The salt brand I use is D&D H20 . I also run a protein skimmer .my additives Iodine.and Mag. My positives was no hair algae or any other algae problems also I have never had Canyo. Also I've never had any fish diseases bearing in mind my tank is heavily stocked with fish. My dousing regime I hardly ever have to because the conditioner and the tap water contain high amounts of KH,Cal,Mag when doing water changes it keeps the levels up just needs a slight tweak once a week to maintain the levels I require. The negatives I've found with tap water. I have to use a considerable amount of Rowa phos roughly between 800-1000 mils per month to keep things at the lower level that I require .as for my nitrate I use roughly 20 JBL bags every six months help keep my nitrate down also to a levels found happy with. With the cleaning of the glass of my tank needs to be done between 1 to 2 days. Problems with Corals you only ones I've ever had problems with all these Xenia.Bubble.Medusa. And the last important thing and probably the most important not having to worry about what additives May be added to our drinking water from the water boards in the future. RO WATER. I've been using it now for roughly just over 6 months now. Things I run it with now I still have just over 70 kg of live Rock I use one large external filter now I was using 20 JBL bags has now cut down to 10 as I've started using A reactor with bio pellets and still waiting for them to Kickin properly my external filter contains A black and blue sponge floss . Active carbon . IBL bags and the recommended amount of SeraSiporax rings and I also run a protein skimmer. The positives using RO. I'm using a lot less Rowa phos I am now only using 400 mils every four weeks to keep it at 0.03 or below. And cleaning front of glass roughly every three days now. And water clarity seems clearer. I'm not having to worry about the water authorities adding things to my tap water that my Harm system in the future. Negatives using RO. Having to dose a hell of a lot more to keep things stable costing a lot more in KH buffers and calcium and Mac having to buy a lot more of it keep things stable where before when adding tapwater my top ups was doing so 90% of this for me without even realising hardly ever had to buy these additives. So I believe I calcium reactor will resolve my problem which should help cut down on the Big three. Using a RO/DI unit more time consuming more expense. Reading back on this I can see tap water was a lot more easier for me and a lot less work needed to .i spend more on some things and less on others .other than that it was just the risk of water authorities of what I may add or may not in the future. For me personally using RO is definitely harder work and much more complicated to maintain things still needs help with combating nitrite and Phos so additives are required to help with this exactly the same as with tap water with probably half the amount required LOL:) For others out there that don't know me this is just my own experience of using both and I am not advising you to use tapwater for those who are starting out in this hobby I would advise to use RO water. I have only ever use tap water for over 40 years now but in the last six months I am now using RO I still say it can be done with tap water Which I have proved over the years and I know there are many others out there that have to . But at the end of the day the safest route is definitely to go with RO water it's safer with no worries Of the unexpected from the water boards.
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    How dare you call me an old git I will be back as soon as the nurse returns with my new incontinent pants How dare you call me an old git I will be back as soon as the nurse returns with my new incontinent pants Cant remember sending it twice
  12. 4 points
    Good idea! Here's a pic of him using it for the first time....... [emoji12]
  13. 4 points
    40????? I thought we had to tell the truth in here, how many paper rounds did you have mate :):):)
  14. 4 points
    Reef Face is the friendliest reef and marine fish forum in the UK. It's a place to ask all those questions you want to ask but have been too intimidated to ask elsewhere, remember the only silly questions are the ones you don't ask. Members and Sponsors alike are really friendly, feel free to approach anyone here. If you're looking for an answer about your fish or your corals, or maybe you're looking for advice on a product or you're looking for one, we'll help you out. It doesn't matter if you're just starting out with your first nano aquarium or you're been reefing for 50+ years. Get yourself signed up and say hello. We promise it's a much better hobby when you've got mates to talk to about it :fishy:
  15. 4 points
    As a new member to the forum thought I would start by introducing myself and post a blog telling my story of setting up a 2000 litre tank. It was quite a journey and I wrote it in 2010 when it was the start of a fish only system. It is now a reef set up that's been running for 2 years. Just a bit about me. I am 61, and live in Mallorca, Spain where I have been for 32 years. I am originally from Stoke, and attempted my first marine tank in 1979. I came back to the hobby in 2010 and discovered a whole new world of fishkeeping. The blog is in several parts but I will start with a couple of pages and then if its of any interest will continue later with it. Hi,As a recent newbie to this site I thought I would let you know the trials and tribulations I have been through , in the name of fishkeeping.I have lived in Spain for 30 years, and a couple of years ago I decided to continue with keeping marine fish.I had my first attempt at keeping marines in 1979.I kept looking at this big space in my dining room, and thought it would be a good idea to have a purpose built tank in there.Any normal person would have started with a medium sized tank, but not me, why not have a tank made that would fill this space I thought. So for the next couple of weeks I began designing all kinds of weird shapes, do I go for glass or that plastic stuff, do I go tall or short.I decided to buy a glass tank from a company in Scotland, (seemed like a good idea at the time). I sent them the measurements and within a couple of weeks it was made. 3 metres long by 80cm x 80 cm.They asked me questions like, what kind of filtration are you having, and how many weirs do you want.I thought this was some kind of Scottish thing so I told them to make 2 weirs and that the filtration system would be under the tank.The tank was to be supplied with a stand and it was going to have cupboards and things, great I thought, the wife likes cupboards.The next project whilst waiting for the tank to be made was to sort out the filtration. On to e bay we go and find what looks like the ideal system, an Aquamedic riff filter 2000 with sump. I bought it without much care and attention to detail and as I was going to England the following week decided to collect it in person from some place called Warrington.I collected the said sump and system which was being dismantled as the owner had seen enough of Warrington and was fleeing to France.To say it was a squeeze getting it into the Easyjet mercedes corned beef car is an understatement, however the tank was being delivered the next day into Stoke on Trent and the guys from the tank company in Scotland were delivering it.I must add that I have an import company and the transport was not a problem. The 40ft trailer was loaded with my business items and I left enough space for the tank and the filter system.The Jocks arrived on time and said they would need 8 more men to help to unload it, they were 3 in total.I managed to find 8 Polish guys standing on a street corner and with the promise of monetry reward persuaded them to help.Now the back of a 40 ft trailer is high, and no matter how we tried could not lift it high enough, talk about heavy. so onto 3 pallets, a forklift truck was used to get it on board, together with the filter system. The polish guys had received their 5 pounds each for 5 min work and were heading for the pub. The doors were closed and I packed the tank with loads of blankets, not to keep it warm but to protect it.Five days later the trailer arrived at my warehouse in Malloca, I was excited and coudnt wait to open the doors.When I got inside the trailer the tank looked fine apart from a 6 ft crack going from one side to the other. I was asked if any of my ramblings are true. The answer is 100% yes. I decided to tell of my world of fishkeeping mistakes in an effort to inform those who may be thinking of starting a marine tank without first exploring in detail the pros and cons of such a venture.If only I would have known about this forum when I started a couple of years ago, I would not have had the problems described in part 1. Also it does you good to put into print the mistakes that have been made. If this little piece helps one new beginner to discover the art of fishkeeping it will have been worth the effort.The tank was split at the base, I stared at it in disbelief. One of my workers looked at it and said smuglyYOU SHOULD HAVE PUT SOME BLANKETS UNDER THE BASE. It never fails to amaze me that after the event everyones an expert.For the next few days I sat in my office with the tank on pallets outside in the warehouse. By this time not only did my staff giggle everytime they passed my window, but the neighbours from the various warehouses also popped round for a laugh.To compound matters I had to tell the wife the bad news, but true to form I said that it was just a minor crack and that it would be sorted. My nose grew another inch.Its strange when you try go to sleep that if you start thinking fish things its guaranteed you will be awake most of the night. When I did go off to sleep that night I dreamt of water spashing out onto the floor, fish gasping for breath, and my wife with her suitcase.I decided not to panick, and arranged for a local glass company to come to the warehouse to try and resolve the problem.2 lads turned up the following day, they looked like Jedward, and they stood over the tank with that sucking and gasping that only comes when you know this aint gonna be cheap.Now this tank because of its size had been made with extra thick glass, it takes 8 strong men to lift it, so when Jedward said they needed to take it to their place I agreed to their request. They changed their minds within 2 minutes of trying to get it into their van which looked as though it had just come back from the Paris Dakar rally. So it was decided to put a complete new base on the tank from the outside, and that the glass would be made the same thickness as the original base. This would add another massive weight to it. What a good idea.2 weeks later Jedward returned and put the new base on leaving the original split visible from the inside.I would deal with that problem later.Another week passes as I was under strict instructions from the blonde twosome to let the silicone go off. I didnt understand where it was going off to, but I agreed.The following week I arranged for DHL to collect it from my warehouse and take it to my house.One of my staff said, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THAT THROUGH YOUR DOOR. I said that it would be wide enough, but as I muttered those words I felt what can only be described as a toilet feeling going through my body.I arranged for DHL to deliver it and also as there were no Polish type people about I mustered 8 of my sons best friends to help, not knowing that 5 of them were smoking that weed stuff and that they only agreed because they were unaware of the tanks size, and had heard previously from my son that dad pays for 5 minutes work.I have photos by the way of the moment they turned up at the house and tried to lift it. I will try and photobucket it with tomorrows hopefully final installment.suffice it to say the tank would not go through the door or any windows , so it was either to take the roof off the house or knock a hole in the dining room wall for the tank to fit through.The wife was out at work, I had 6 hours, what could go wrong. I will try and post some pics later David Sent from my K30AD_M31AD_M51AD using Tapatalk
  16. 4 points
    One of the most common diseases in the home aquaria is "white spot", this is true for both fresh and salt water. White Spot is caused by a parasite called Cryptocaryon irritans (for Marine white spot) and Ichthyophthirius multifiliis (for Freshwater White Spot). The parasite is a type of protozoa which lives between the skin cells and those cells in the gills during one stage of its life cycle. Understanding this life cycle can help us understand why certain fish seem more likely to be affected by Ich and how it is treated. Ich Life Cycle For both the fresh and saltwater forms there is the same basic 3 stages of life. 1. The Parasitic stage- (trophont)- The parasite is embedded into the skin or gills feeding on tissue debris and body fluids. 2. The Reproductive stage- (tomont)- the now mature parasite leaves the fishes skin and gills and lands on the substrate. Here the parasite encrusts and becomes a cyst, the parasite reproduces asexually. 3. The Infective stage- (tomites)- when large amounts of offspring have been produced, the cyst breaks open, dispersing the large amounts of parasite into the water column. These parasites need to find a host as soon as possible. The time span in which this happens over varies considerably between the 2 species and the environment they are in. This is where aquarists use nature to their advantage in order to get rid of the parasite. Symptoms The symptoms of Ich are the same or similar between freshwater and saltwater ich. If your fish was healthy and fat prior to the outbreak it has a high chance of survival if you act fast after seeing one of the symptoms. Just keeping the fish eating during the symptoms can up the chances of survival substantially. Common symptoms: • White Nodules that look like grains of sugar or sand on the skin • Irritated gills • Laboured Breathing • Lack of appetite In later stages: • Clouded eyes It is important to note that the ich parasite tends to be more present in late afternoon to evening as there are suggestions that it is mildly photosynthetic. Treatment Whilst researching the various methods of treatment for this article, I have come across an important fact; most of the treatments are to one of 2 things. They either build up fish immunity to prevent re-infection or to change the environment to prevent re-infection. List of some treatments: All are tried at hobbyist's risk. Many hobbyists have their own opinions on various methods. The following are based on research and personal experience of myself and Luke. Fortunately, during our time at university Ich was something we were able to research extensively for an assignment. - Hypo-salinity/Hyper-salinity (depending on whether Fresh or Saltwater Species)- Many fish cannot tolerate the change and should be done very slowly if attempted. It is important that the fish is watched for signs of stress. This is often done at wholesalers and importers. From personal experience, many marine fish are transported in hypo-salinity, some species such as blue stripe pipefish purchased directly from wholesalers maybe in a salinity of 1.017, this is apparently to reduce stress to the fish and help prevent ich. This method stresses the parasite to death when in the tomont and tomite stages. As for time scales of this, it varies massively dependant on the source of information that you use. Most suggest 2-4weeks after observing no spots on the fish. It is important to note that this treatment should only be done in a quarantine tank which has dimmed lighting, no substrate and something like drainpipe for cover. There is also evidence that a dip of fresh RO/DI water for marine ich or saltwater for Freshwater ich can work, although tolerances for this depend on species. - Increased Temperature- There is some schools of thought that increasing the temperature will make the lifecycle of the parasite burn out as it decreases the time for each stage. There seems little evidence to support this, although it is known that the cycle is quicker in warmer waters. - Copper Based Medications- All forms of ich can be treated with copper based medications. This should be done in a quarantine tank that is dedicated for the treatment of Ich. The treatment of copper kills the tomont and tomite stages of the ich parasite. In the case of marine ich, the tank cannot be used for coral or marine inverts as copper traces will become present in the tanks silicon, this can be seen by a blue discolouration of the silicon. There is evidence that copper based treatments can reduce the fish’s immunity, and tends to be a “last chance saloon” for the fish. There are many treatments available on the market, always follow the manufacturer’s instructions. - Garlic Based Foods- There is some evidence that Garlic can help with immunity of the fish. There are loads of foods on the market that contain garlic oil as enrichment. It can also be purchased in oil form. It is known that garlic can stimulate appetite and this is how many believe how garlic helps with the treatment of ich, as the fish eats it becomes healthier and can battle the parasite by natural means. This tends to be the secretion of mucus that prevents the irritation and prevents re-infection of the parasite into the skin. Garlic is often added to frozen foods for the training of mandarins to try and persuade them to feed. - Other “natural” methods- Ich outbreaks have been seen in the wild, and as nature is this amazing force, often only the sick and weak will become prey to the parasite. In the marine environment there are a few invertebrates and fish that are known as “cleaners” which will feed on the various parasites. In particular the cleaner shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis) and the cleaner wrasse (Labroides dimidiatus), can be used to help and possibly cure (in mild cases) ich. However, the purchase of a cleaner wrasse for ich treatment is unadvisable as the cleaner wrasse is also susceptible to ich and therefore might become infected itself. A cleaner shrimp however cannot contract ich and therefore a good place to start in treating mild ich cases. In one case a tang was showing signs of ich, 2 cleaner shrimp were added to the aquarium and within 5 minutes of them being added, the tang went to be cleaned having probably having never seen a cleaner shrimp in its life. - The “Tank Moving Method”- This is a method I stumbled upon during my research into treatments and seems to be so simple, but should be effective if carried out clinically. This method involves regular water changes and 2 quarantine tanks. The method involves swapping the fish to a new tank every water change. When the tank becomes “empty” it is thoroughly cleaned and dried to remove any trace of the parasite in the tank. It removes the tomont and tomites from the water and is putting the fish into a “clean” tank of the parasite. It is labour intensive, but should prevent the life cycle continuing and no parasites re-infecting the fish in question. I hope this gives you all the help you need in surviving Ich in your aquarium, and I think I have covered all the basic areas that will help you get a better understanding of those white blobs on your fish that can be fatal. -“Fallow” tank method- this method is now often quoted in the treatment of ich in the long term. Although this method is logical in the sense that no fish = no ich assuming the life cycle of the parasite burns though, however it is not known how long the parasites can survive in cyst form therefore timescale is difficult to determine. Another critical part of this method is the infected fish during this fallow period. 1 QT set up is not enough to break the cycle hence method above. There is also evidence that although “spots” may not be present on the surface of the skin, the parasite could be in the fish gills or in the water/ on the substrate. ++ From this research, it is also important to remember that ANY water from an external source could contain the parasite, and this includes any within corals and invertebrates such as anemones, zoa and LPS and every addition could therefore carry a risk. Maintaining good husbandry including QT of all new additions (including coral and other inverts) could reduce this risk. Secondary to this, ther sessile form of ich could also be present of substrate of infected tanks and care should be taken to avoid the introduction of substrates of infected tanks where possible.++ As careful as we are in the aquarium setting, it is not always possible to prevent ich entering our systems, however it is important to remember some of these points when designing the aquarium system, a space for suitable QT or even just a spare tank and equipment to allow for cases can really aid in the battle of this disease. REFERENCES: A. Colorni (1985) Aspects of the biology of Cryptocaryon irritans, and hyposalinity as a control measure in cultured gilt-head sea bream Sparus aurata, Diseases of Aquatic Organisms Vol.1 pages 19-22 Pro, S (2008) Marine Ich/ Cryptocaryon irritans- A discussion of this parasite and the treatment options available Part 1 and 2 http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-1...ture/index.php
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    Many thanks for the very warm welcome folks. Its great to be accepted onto the forum. I'm hoping that our presence will be a worthwhile addition to the community and that we will be able to offer some direct and beneficial advice and guidance with regards the products that we do. I probably know many of you already across various forums etc. but for those not familiar here is a quick, 'get to know you' run through. Reef-Eden is headed by myself, Simon Garratt as the Managing director. I've been a practicing reefkeeper for well over 35yrs now (in fact so long I cant really remember doing much else now). 3 yrs ago I started up Reef-Eden international as a simple distribution company and we have grown over that time to become the Uk's sole distributor for Polyplab, UK Distributor for Giesemann Aquaristik, and technical and sales support for Giesemann in the UK and US. We have also expanded over that time into manufacturing and consultation, including high quality private custom built aquariums, sump systems and other equipment, commercial, educational and scientific system design and construction, plus development and manufacturing of our own dedicated Jellyfish and seahorse aquariums. As a company we are always working on several new products of our own at any one time, whilst also consulting with our partners such as Giesemann with regards to pushing the envelope in lighting technology and other areas. As a company we are always directly contactable if you have any questions. You can read a little bit more about the company here if you fancy: http://www.reef-eden-international.com/about_us.htm Of course it wouldn't be right to leave without mentioning the Second in Command. Chelsey... Chelsey has a huge amount of technical and practical reef experience. As well as working at Reef-Eden several days a week (keeping me organised and helping with product support just to name a few areas) she also works at a local aquatic store here in Southampton the rest f the week. I honestly don't know how she does it, but she basically does 7 days a week 8-12 hrs a day around marines in all areas, is always happy, and quite frankly is a major asset. So you are aware, both I and Chelsey will be posting and helping out via this account to keep things simple. I think that's about it for introductions. Of course feel free to have a look at some of the stuff we do by clicking on our banner or head over to http://www.reef-eden-international.com/index.htm, keep an eye on some superb promotions that go onto our Special Offers section of the web site, and of course, feel free to contact us if you have any questions or need help in acquiring any of our products. Many thanks and happy Reef-Keeping to all.. Simon.
  18. 4 points
    The rant continues Do you remember the school holidays when you were a child. The summer hols, six weeks without school, you thought they would never end, but of course September comes around your mum takes you to be fitted for your school uniform, or if like me she just let down the turn ups from last years trousers and make do, even though your arms stuck out of your old blazer. Anyway the point I am trying to make is that the time did come round, and my wife discovered the unit had been vandalisedSaving grace was that the mother in law flew back to Stoke the day before the discovery, I coudnt have put up with stereo nagging, so it came to pass that yours truly was back in the mire.However a little domestic dispute did nothing to dampen my enthusiasm, and I decided the time was right to fill up the tank and perhaps even put some of those fish things in there.It was at this point that I started to read articles relating to fish keeping, in particular regarding salt water aquariums.I think I already mentioned that I had my first saltwater tank in 1979. Reading the articles in front of me I started to gather that things have really moved on since then.I had never heard of a sump system and I am indebted to its creator Mr Sump for its inception. I had never heard of most of the equipment either and so began a brand new learning curve to which I am still at beginner level.So for the first time in ages I read, and it soon became clear that you cannot just fill the tank with saltwater, throw in a few fish and sit back.I was looking at the filter system, one of the compartments had bio balls in them, at this point it is necessary to say ISNT GOOGLE MARVELOUS. Look up bio balls, now I see the idea, what does that protein skimmer really do, google it again, really thats clever, and so it goes on and on, (a bit like this article)I did go down to my local fish store at this point, they had one saltwater aquarium and a few fish in them, and the owner was really friendly. He became my best buddie when I ordered 100 kilos of live rock, and sacks and sacks of live sand. His previous record for an order of live rock was five kilos, he would remember this day for ever.Going back to the tank I decided to mix some salt for the tank, and then for some strange reason I had a moment of common sense. I will half fill the tank with tap water just to ensuse that there were no leaks, I felt so proud of myself for this decision, and so with newly aquired hose pipe began filling it with the water. Well I know you are all thinking that I bet it leaks, well it did but not until I was in bed in the icy cold bedroom.Again another point worthy of mention apart from it being november, we had fitted wooden floors to the dining room and the lounge the previous month, I was off to England on business and the wife had seen on the telly this advert from a company called, FLOORS TO GO, OR FLOORS 4 U OR FLOORS SOMETHING OR OTHER, anyway one of my tasks set for me to do apart from calling in to M&S to buy her an uplifting bra something called a wonderbra, its a wonder I wasnt arrested buts thats another story.So I bought the required amount of floorboards, which magically click together so easily that the salesman said a 10 year old child could do it.Unfortunately I couldnt find one of those, and ended up paying for a Spanish guy who was on the dole but arrived at the house in a BMW X5 to come and fit them, and a really good job he did I must add.When I was loading them onto a 40 ft trailer in Stoke, the guys gathered round expecting another tank extravaganza, I was sorry to disappoint them.Back to the fill up, as the water level rose I was pacing up and down the tank like an expectant father, I stopped the filling up process which took nearly an hour, as I didnt notice until later that the wife had come back from the shops and parked her front wheel on the hose pipe, I still claim she did that on purpose.For most of the afternoon and evening the aquarium was looking good, and I even went to the expence of putting a piece of insulating tape to mark the level of the tank water, I coudnt kick start the filter system for obvious reasons.I also forgot to mention that I bought an aquarium chiller whilst in England as it would be needed I thought in the summer months. It said on the instructions that it was and I quote, WHISPER QUIET. Which I totally agree with, it is WHISPER QUIET until it reaches its temperature set point at which time it sounded like a Moto GP bike.The chiller had to be installed in our lounge cos there just wasnt any other place for it, this meant drilling two holes through a joining wall for the inlet and outlet pipes, another job done by Carl and me whilst she was out. This also meant that it was next to the plasma tv. According to the manufacturer LG, DO NOT ATTEMPT TO HAVE THE VOLUME ABOVE THE SETTING 27 OR SERIOUS EARING IMPEDIMENT MAY OCCUR. The fact is unles you put it on setting 30 you had no idea that the fat bird on the telly was singing HOW DO YOU SOLVE A PROBLEM LIKE MARIA.I went to bed that night content in the knowledge that we were finally getting somewhere, the guy at the fish shop had even offered me a free moray eel, (big mistake) Another learning curve, if your local fish guy offers you ANYTHING free its because some poor soul he has sold it to before has had his fish collection decimated by this creature, and he sees you as his saviour.Its horrible to be in a deep comatose sleep to be awakened by the sound of an hysterical woman, ITS FLOODED, ITS FLOODED she wailed. By the time I had awoken my feet were in a river of water. Now on a positive note, and this is a blessing in a strange kind of way I discovered at this point that the floor was not completely level and that the water was eventually making its way through the kitchen and out through the back door, convenient I thought. The next four hours were spent with mop and bucket, I did say to the wife that at least it was only tap water and not saltwater, this had little effect and the silent routine began, it was 8.31. amBy mid day the water level had subsided and luckily the water had been diverted from going into the lounge because of the sloping floor.Have you ever had a flood, its really weird no matter how many towels you use the water doesnt seem to go away.I ran upstairs having used all the towels from the mother in laws bathroom, our bathroom has, (sorry that should read HAD ) very white fluffy tuffy ever so soft wooly feeling to them and were excellent I thought for the mop up process, this is the point that the wifes silent routine ended, seeing her towels on the floor and me wringing them out over the kitchen sink. Okay so I didnt remove the dishes from the night before, SORRY.She went ballistic, now we have been married 34 years, I think thats right, but I cant remember her using such expletives, this is a woman who I have never heard break wind in those 34 years.She disappeared into the garden, and it was 8pm before I saw her again. Sent from my K30AD_M31AD_M51AD using Tapatalk
  19. 4 points
    Folks, I've had a read through this thread and had a right old chuckle, first txt speak, oh my word, yes one of my pet hates for sure, some folks have it real bad, I get lots and lots of emails, imagine the ones that come in txt speak, yes in emails I kid you not!!! I'll leave that one there before I blow a fuse !! Football, come on guys I live in Wales!! I am a proud Welshman but football, well we have Swansea and that's about it, Cardiff well we'll see. Most importantly this forum, I have to been seen to be unbiased as I work on many forums worldwide for Red Sea but we have a PM system who want my thoughts on Reef Face so don't be scarred to use it!!! I can say I think its great but any further elaboration you'll need to ask me for it personally, I have had the pleasure of meeting a few guys who are members personally ( you know who you are) and I will say this, it was my absolute pleasure to meet you all and remember a Forum is only as good as its members, and before any starts, Admin and Mod's are members too !!! Long may the members keep this great forum what it is, the friendly one.
  20. 4 points
    for all of those who keep a diary, if your tank has improved significantly, an award will be given so now there is an incentive to update your tank thread and a tank will be picked from threads
  21. 4 points
    The best bit of advice I can offer is to formulate your own opinions ! It's great to research, ask questions and gain advice from fellow aquarists. It is however vitally important not to just do what someone tells you or something you may have read, take a step back and apply a little thinking time to your question/solution. There is no certainty that the article you have read or the person that you've asked is 100% correct and the internet can be a minefield of misleading information at times, my philosophy is look at at least 3 different sources, if they all say the same, great. If they differ from one to the next then this is the area that I then look into in more detail. Remember no one knows your aquarium like you do, they are all individual and what works for one may not for the next, even if the set ups are identical, on a microbiological level they WILL be different. It's your aquarium, no one else can make mistakes for you ! :)
  22. 3 points
    Unless you're into brown frags full of bryopsis and bubble algae, I really wouldn't bother. You'd be lucky to find a decent coral in the display tanks that doesn't have some form of recession, stripping or algae. Been on a downward spiral for a long time and only so much I could do with the 2 days I was in. I asked for more days to get things sorted but they weren't interested. They wanted to run it into the ground to justify closing it. Even only last week I messaged him to ask what the hell was going on and asked him outright if we were closing down. I'm not stupid, I had a feeling it was going this way but just clung on to the hope he would pull his finger outta his ar$e and sort it out or let me do it. Only last week he denied it, saying we had coral shipments on the way and it would be sorted in the new year. So late on Xmas eve I get a message from a customer saying "sorry to hear the aquarium is shutting down". I didn't have a clue what he was talking about so went on the cockfields facebook page and saw it for myself. Nice of him to let the world know before letting his staff know. I messaged him to find out what was going on and he said "I thought I text you an hour ago but it didn't go through, sorry". As if that makes it ok! Even if the text had gone through its not something that should be done by text, an hour before announcing it to the world, late on Xmas eve. He's now playing the "nobody has lost their jobs" card by saying I have opportunities to help entertain kids and maintain the farm. Neither of which I have any interest in nor was anything to do with the job I accepted when I commenced working there. The job was a sales assistant in the marine section of the business. Rather than having the decency to offer redundancy he's forcing people out by making them do jobs they have no interest in so they will leave on their own accord. Sadly, the place shutting down won't be a loss to the hobby as it's been poor for a while now which is a shame as it used to be one of the best before their attention turned to cuddly toys and bouncy castles. Anyway, hope you all had a better Christmas than I've had lol. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge using Tapatalk
  23. 3 points
    Never got it setup Dave lmao. Here's a quick pic of our tank at the min
  24. 3 points
    Hello heard a lot about Reef Face from Darren, as we all know he never stops talking! Will get my tank diary sorted asap thanks for letting me be part of this awesome group!
  25. 3 points
    Same here. Bit too far to come mate otherwise I'd be happy to help. How about adding one question at a time on your tank thread? OR pose a question per day in the relevant sections. Lots of experienced guys here who can cast an eye over your problems and its not as though you can't take a good picture to help us help you.
  26. 3 points
  27. 3 points
    @@DJ23bol come on David defend yourself here ,unless it's true LOL you know we won't hold it against you[emoji23][emoji23]
  28. 3 points
    We better use this poster to identify him[emoji1] Alias @ yellowboxfish also known as Carl if seen approach with caution[emoji3]
  29. 3 points
    Had a serious word with my corals If they dont get their act together Im going tropical
  30. 3 points
    Get the salinity right and and let the other levels fall slowly it went up slow so bring it down slow keep you kh above 7 pal
  31. 3 points
    I'm 23 and have been reefkeeping for over 30 yrs now... ;-)
  32. 3 points
    get in the prize funds hits £200 I WILL MATCH IT
  33. 3 points
    And I'll third that too. Here at Reef Face we have what has to be the best, friendliest and helpful community in our hobby. Weather you are new to the hobby or a seasoned veteran... Your all more than welcome here and will all receive advice and support from both members and sponsors that is second to non. The new year is approaching and me and the rest of the mod team have big ideas for the coming year! We've got competitions, quizzes, the normal friendly banter, a chat room and we will be arranging a few meet ups also. We have an extensive archive of information too... So if you have any questions or need a resource to turn to... We've got it right here! Come and join in the fun guys and be part of our fantastic community.
  34. 3 points
    If you can take the rock it's attached to out of the display tank then you can pop it on a chopping board you can use just for coral propagation then just snip a bit off with a sharp pair of scissors or a scalpel. Once you have some bits snipped off you can use a bit of cotton to gently tie the frags to a new rock or frag plug. Make sure you dip both the new frags and the mother colony in a solution of Lugols Iodine or Seachem Reef Dip to aid in the healing process. Any questions just ask :fishy:
  35. 3 points
    I have a 700VA uninterruptable power supply with 8 sockets on it which kicks in the instant the power goes out. My internet router is also plugged into it so I get alerted by SMS instantly. This unit gives me enough time to come home and crank up the 2 KW silent generator which thanks to a self designed 50 litre fuel extender will run for a week at 1/4 throttle.
  36. 3 points
    Carl put your shirt back on:)
  37. 3 points
    Might be a stupid question, but I was discussing with @@tbert33 earlier... Why doesn't anyone offer quarantine services? Obviously it would be at owners risk etc but would be great for those who don't have QT tanks wouldn't it? I think there is a gap in the market...
  38. 3 points
    I was later to recall on an Easyjet flight from Liverpool to Mallorca that my wife reminded me of an Easyjet airline stewardess, not because she had hairy armpits, and spilled tea on your lap, no, because they scream in a similar way when explaining what to do in the case of crashing into a mountain, BRACE BRACE. There's something weird about travelling from Liverpool, no matter what flight you catch, no matter what time of the day, there's ALWAYS a drunken scouse stag party or hen party on board, the reason I digress is that I was standing in the queue waiting to go through the scanner machine and there were a bunch of ladies ( I am being polite) behind me, one had a s**g me quick hat on, and the others had T shirts which said something about Cheryl's breasts being on tour. The reason I mention this is that I was carrying hand luggage only, and put the bag onto the conveyor belt, inside my bag was a really big solenoid valve which I wanted to attach to one of the pipes on the tank so that in the case of an electrical cut, the solenoid valve would kick in and the water from the weirs would not cascade into Mr sump land and flood the floor. Any way the flight was delayed because my bag was put onto an x ray machine. Just as the airport was going to be evacuated, I explained to the little purple faced security guard that I was a fishkeeper and not a terrorist. The sniffer dogs were friendly, and although Cheryl's breasts were delayed by almost 30 minutes we were on our merry way, the 2 wires sticking out of the hold all had apparently caused quite a stir. To make me feel even worse for spoiling Cheryl's jolly in Magaluf, the pilot announced that he was sorry for the delay which was caused by a security incident. I slumped low into the chair. I wanted to go to the loo, but decided not to, to prevent booing and hissing from the girls, who were ordering tequila slammers with tomato juice, the stewardess explained that we hadn't taken off yet. Oh yes, the floor was flooded AGAIN, although on a scale of 10 from the previous incident it only got a 6 on the sphincter scale. Mop and bucket, squelch, squelch, silence, silence. It was at this point that I lost my cool, I had been pretty philosophical up to this point, but something inside snapped, although it could have been the rubber band on my wallet bursting open as my credit card was going to be making another guest appearance at the fish shop. This is NOT going to beat me I thought as the wife picked up the phone to her mothers. I rang my fish guy, the special silicone, all six tubes had been used up, so I asked him to order me 18 tubes of silicone. I could almost hear him booking his holidays, EIGHTEEN, he said DIEZ Y OCHO, MADRE MIA, GRACIAS, GRACIAS. I put the phone down, I had already decided my next move, come hell or high water I was going to silicone the whole of the base of the tank, all 10 feet of it, I would shoot it with so much silicone that it would not dare EVER AGAIN to leak, I was possessed, and there was no going back. Sent from my K30AD_M31AD_M51AD using Tapatalk
  39. 3 points
    I wish my eyesight wasn't as good as it is after seeing the pic on the other thread!
  40. 3 points
    The saga continues The thing that I have failed to mention so far is COST, not just to my marriage, but to my wallet.If you pay by credit card it doesnt count I told her, trying to convince myself and my bank manager.Why do you need to up the limit on your card he asked with that look of a car salesman telling you that the car has only 20,000 miles and never been rallied.So far the tank, the repair, DHL, the filter system the lighting system not to mention the impending cost of the wall were all beginning to add up, and I spent many a morning waiting to intercept the postie and screw up the bank statements.So my advice to anyone considering going into this hobby is to seek medical advice first, and then to make sure you dont keep fish receipts in your jeans, or invoices for 100 kilos of live rock and sand.The missis is going to wash those jeans you never take off eventually and find them.You will start reading magazines,joining forums etc you may even start reading instructions on the back of products. You will buy more additives than you can get from your local Chinese restaurant, and your shelves will look like youve opened a chemist shop. On top of this you will be bewildered do I need a kalkwasser that guys got one on the forum must be good, what is a kalkwasser I must get one, e bay now. PH up PH down, PH sideways, nitrates, nitrites, ammonia does it ever end.You will be the star at parties when you explain the nitrogen cycle to people who think its some kind of olympic event. THE WALL.I must however explain about the wall. I live in a house that is over 100 years old, the outside walls are made up of large dry rock walls, behind these are blockwork or breezeblock reinforced with steel. I think when the house was built they were expecting a war between the Spanish and the Arabs.So there we were, the DHL man looking bored, eight of Spains finest druggies, and me looking at a one ton tank in the back of a DHL lorry.Now Spainish are very good at making their ideas known, but when push comes to shove,(and there was about to begin some shoving) they really are useless. These lads were no exception. For 10 minutes they sat on my garden wall having a smoke, we were 6 hours and counting before the wife returned home, the DHL man was moaning that he wanted to go home to feed his pidgeons, and I was measuring the dining room wall with a broomstick handle cos I coudnt find a tape measure.The Spanish team then decided to burst into their favourite song, IS THEESE THE WAY TO AMADRILLO they sang, (it was beginning to get on my nerves,) even DHL man knew the words, how quaint I thoughtMiguel who was I would say 9 stone wet through, and a worzel Gummidge lookalike said that if we put 5 pallets on top of each other and situate them half way between the DHL lorry and the dining room wall, we could have a rest, (and a smoke) and then when suitably rested we could continue the onward journey of 12 yards towards the wall. That seemed sensible coming from Worzel, and did seem the best option.It was clear that once we managed to manhandle it out of the lorry that said DHL man would be away with his pidgeons, so I knew it would be a waste of time to ask for his help.So we commenced stage one. Four of us on each end, huffing and puffing, and after a nod from me and a un, dos, tres from Worzel, the tank was lifted and we moved step by step towards the pallets. Onto the middle of the pallets down it goes, and rests precariously on the pallets. I breathe a huge sigh of relief, Worzel looks like hes burst a blood vessel, and the rest of the gang sit back on the wall, youve guessed it for another smoke.Now all I have to do is to knock a small hole wide enough for the tank to fit through, put the stand up in the dining room, slide the tank through the hole, and lift the tank up and onto its majestic final resting place, as that meir cat says on that advert SIMMMPLE.5 hours 30 minutes to the arrival of the wife, how pleased she will be to see the tank I thought becoming very pleased with my self, a feeling that would last for a staggering 10 minutes.My son who was very quiet up to this point asked if I knew what I was doing. Now when you have kids, (he is in his early thirties,) you dont want to admit to him that you have absolutely no idea what is involved in making a hole in a really thick ancient building, so I sent him into the garage to find a heavy duty drill, lumphammer, and one of those mask things that doctors use when doing operations.Now in my defence I did make a mark on the outside of the wall which was meticulously marked with the broomhandle, and as X marked the spot I commenced the drilling. 3 drill bits later and having made progress by making a small dent in the brickwork, I decided that the lump hammer would have to called into action.Now I really must cut this part down to a reasonable size, needless to say the clock began counting down really fast, and the 5 hours and 30 minutes was quickly 2 hours and 10 minutes, and although the major stone work was now rubble on the newly paved patio, the breezeblock was proving difficult.All of the gang, including Worzel had put in their bit of banging skills. I was so concentrated on the job in hand that when I went to the fridge in the garage to get more beers for the lads I noticed that the DHL lorry was still there. It was then that I saw DHL man sitting on a grass verge legs in the air and laughing uncontrollably into his mobile phone. I was to learn later that there was a live feed from his mobile to DHL Headquarters, the pidgeons would have to go hungry.Okay so we finally made a hole in the wall,Worzel then said I should have made the hole at floor level, instead of 3 feet up the wall, (another expert) I must admit it would certainly have helped but as there was no going back, (tick tock) we attempted to lift the tank through the wall at chest height. Now I dont know whether you can picture this scenario, but we managed to get it half way, we then up- ended a pallet and put it at one end of the tank, and did the same at the other end, the result was that half the tank was in the dining room and the other half outside in the driveway. Worzel sugested we fill it with water and that it would make a nice feature.Then, as if the job was done the motley crew said that they were off to watch some football match that was starting at 8 pm. I looked at my watch in total disbelief, 10 minutes and counting, a tank sticking and balancing on pallets and the sight of them scurrying away was not a comfortable feeling.Then all was silent,apart from me and DHL man who was holding his hand out, I thought he was doing a John Inman impersonation, but apparently he wanted a tip.He went, the wife arrived in her jeep, I went to the toilet and stuffed toilet paper in my ears.Funny isnt it when you expect a bit of a discussion, nothing... I went downstairs, my wife didnt speak I even said how nice her hair looked. It was going to be the old silent routine, ok I can handle it, tomorrow it will be sorted as long as I can get the A team back I thought.The wife sat in the lounge with her arms crossed, (always a bad sign) I peered through into the lounge, cup of tea I politely enquired, silence.On the telly some guy was jumping off a high building roof, David Bowie was singing IS THERE LIFE ON MARS, and I thoughtI bloody hope so david, I bloody hope so. Sent from my K30AD_M31AD_M51AD using Tapatalk
  41. 3 points
    As some of you may have noticed I display a logo in my signature which states "Official Orca Member", forgive me if I've never explained why. Orca stands for the Online Retail Co-operative for Aquarists. In a nut shell it's selected group of online retailers who have been chosen and vetted for having a proven track record in providing quality products but above everything else excellent customer support/services before and after the sale. Orca isn't trying to take anything away from the B&M shops, (I support my LFS and I'd encourage others to do the same) but it's a true fact the people buy online and will continue to do so, what Orca is attempting to do is bring a bench mark standard to online sales. So when people see the Orca logo they can buy with confidence, knowing the seller have a proven track record of supplying quality products but above all else a high levels of customer care both before & after the sale.
  42. 3 points
    The point is, is that our hobby, while it may have an impact on the reefs, it has very little impact compared to all the other threats, but we are the easy target. Why not ban tourists diving on the reef, ban other trades from dumping waste into the ocean etc? We have the least impact on the reefs compared to other industries, yet we are the ones they're trying to stop. I for one don't mind buying wild colonies, because at this rate, a hobbyists aquarium will soon be the safest place for them! No divers, no chemicals and oils being dumped, no boats dragging anchors through our tanks etc. So people will refuse to buy a wild colony in a shop, but would jump at the chance to go diving on a coral reef which has much more of an impact?
  43. 3 points
    Each one has its merits. I use different forums for different reasons although this has been the most friendly so far Busy forums are good for finding bulk information and from there its a matter of filtering out the crud until you get the information you wanted. Others are good when they have owners threads i.e. certain product owners threads are good to get an idea of how reliable certain products are. The only time when this seems to go pear shaped is when sponsors take exception to certain products being promoted by users. A certain thread about Chinese LED units springs to mind on another forum which I believe @@Les May have personal experience of :) The thing that hacks me off the most about some other forums are the attitudes of mods who think free speech is something that needs to be squashed rather than encouraged and also those people who believe they have a right to jump all over people for making a mistake be that purchase or stock decision
  44. 3 points
    Sorry the wife on the computer they are rw15 and wow they pack a punch
  45. 3 points
    If the number is 69 then I'm up for a round with her lol Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk
  46. 3 points
    such is th success of the marine habitat picture perfect feature they have now offered us another page which will now iclude an additional 4/5 pics starting this next issue, i will be in touch with entrants from the last theme top down to go in the next issue, well done in advance to those who will now be printed
  47. 3 points
    Just back from a Cockfields and have to say WOW Amazing turn out Amazing stock Great representation from all forums and sponsors. If I missed anyone whilst there i apologise but it was rammed.
  48. 3 points
    Mixing Salts and Supplementing Your Tank.. Ok, what I proposes to do is set out some simple to follow instructions to help with mixing the additives supplied by TankTests. To keep everything simple I'll describe how to mix a volume of 1000ml of the Alk, Ca & Mg buffers, it's just a simple case of scaling up the volume or repeating the whole process until you reach your required amount. Reef Buffer: My personal recommendation would be to mix 75g for every 1000ml, you could mix more if you wanted to but it can be quite stubborn to dissolve and also start to clog the ends of the dosing tube if it's mixed too strong where as if you mix it's a little weaker it's just a simple case of dosing more. The Method: using 0tds Ro/Di water fill a jug about 80%, (in this case 800ml). With the Reef Buffer it helps if the water is warm so you can pop it in the microwave for a few minutes to make it luke warm then start to add the salts.. Always add salts to water, never the other way around! Add about 50% of the required buffer and stir until it's dissolved, repeat. If you end up with some that simple refuses to dissolve then pop it back in the microwave to warm it a little bit more give it a stir and hey presto! Now all the buffer has dissolved it's simply a case of topping up the measuring jug to the 1000ml mark. Calcium Chloride Strong: The Calcium Chloride supplied by TankTests is Anhydrous, this contains less water than the Dihydrate form which means you need less to achieve the same effect. Hence the Strong in the title. Generally speaking it's advised to use 25% less than the required amount of Dihydrate when mixing up a stock solution so I'd recommend using about 300g per 1000ml The Method: Just as above, using 0tds Ro/Di water add about 80% to the container (in this case 800ml). Calcium Chloride will readily dissolve into water so there's no need to heat this prior to mixing, in fact the Anhydrous Calcium Chloride and the lower hydrates emit a large amount of heat when dissolved in water (exothermic reaction). Care should be taken when dissolving them in water. As before, add 50%. Give it a stir & add the rest. All should dissolve quite easily. Once it's all dissolved it's simply a case of topping the measuring jug up to the 1000ml mark. Balanced Magnesium: This contains both the correct ratio of Sulphate & Chloride to maintain and increase Magnesium levels at a balanced ionic ratio. Just as above there is no need to heat the water when adding the Balanced Magnesium. You can easily mix 400g per 1000ml. The Method: Just as above, using 0tds Ro/Di water fill the tub about 80% (in this case it's 800ml). Add 50% and stir until it's dissolved, repeat. Then simply top up to the required amount. (In this case it's the 1000ml mark). Now the fun part, the maths! Because you have now added a known amount of each additive the solutions now have a known value. I'll try and explain... We added 75g of Reef Buffer to 1000ml of water, so 75 divided by 1000 gives us a grammes per millilitre concentration of 0.075 g/ml. We added 300g of Calcium Chloride Strong to 1000ml of water so this have given us a value of 0.3 g/ml. We added 400g of Balanced Magnesium to 1000ml of water so now we have 0.4 g/ml. Often people will redirect people's chemistry questions to the calculators linked on forums but the issue lies with the fact that the calculators will only tell you how many grammes of the additive to add, not how many millilitres. (Well I've only found one that does and it's not on a forum). It's the millilitres people are looking for! So, using Mikes tank as an example I'll show how to convert the grammes into millilitres (for those who know it's very simple, but it's only simple when you know!) Using the Reef Buffer as an example. The Reef Buffer has a known concentration of 0.075g/ml. If we wanted in increase the Alk levels on a tank the has a volume of 1500L by 1 dkh per day then the calculators tell us we need 45.3g of Reef Buffer. So to get to the required amount in millilitres we would divide the required amount in grammes by the concentration of the liquid - 45.3 / 0.075 = 604ml of the stock solution needs adding to increase Alk by 1 dKh in a 1500L tank. So if you add that amount slowly over a period of time either via a dip line/dosing pump you will increase you Alk levels. Of course you will also be gradually losing alk through consumption, and as it is not an exact science you might find when you test again that the level has risen only by say .8 dKH, rather than the whole 1 dKh, or whatever. So next day you can raise it again as above and when you test you might find the level approaching your ideal value. After raising the level to be at or near your target (what could be called the corrective dose), you then need to keep adding smaller amounts regularly to account for the consumption by your animals (the maintenance dose), until you achieve stability at the level you have chosen. So it's a simple case of dividing the grammes by the concentration of the solution.. When using the calculates please be sure to select the appropriate chemicals supplied by TankTests, as a reminder we supple Calcium Chloride Anhydrous & the Balanced Magnesium contains both the Chloride & Sulphate. Right, I'll stop rambling on now and I hope this helps answer some of the questions you had with regards to mixing the additives supplied by TankTests and gives you a good idea of how to go about using them... (All of the above is based on the assumption that your following the Balling Light method, for classic the recipe changes) Kind Regards, David
  49. 3 points
    Agreed. For me it was seeing the softies photo competition in Marine Habitat magazine. Before I never knew that this place was here. I'd honestly pretty much given up hope of finding a forum for reefers that wasn't full of people who are too willing to slate you got every dumb question or every mistake you make however small. Here no question is stupid. Mistakes are something to learn from and everyone's experience and knowledge are your exams experience and knowledge. All in all this place is the dogs b#$%×@#× Sent from my Note 3 usung Tapatalk.
  50. 3 points
    Cheers m8 it is good to know people like what we do, a saying I like is if you don't like what we do tell us if you like what we do tell others, as long as you get the point across who cares about spelling, we all make spelling mistakes especially on the phone lol Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk